tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post4916415313000245571..comments2023-05-30T22:18:00.007+12:00Comments on A Pelt, a shrub, a soil sample: The Scatological in Artistic productionRoss Brightonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-48990414214637230922009-08-09T17:44:00.526+12:002009-08-09T17:44:00.526+12:00Some interesting points raised in this discussion....Some interesting points raised in this discussion. I don't have much to add other than that I've always been a little suspicious about the idea of "truth" in art. <br /><br />I also think the messy and chaotic are just as valuable as the ordered and the beautiful and can even be just that in their own way.Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01931148046937718412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-5260199083574975452009-08-07T18:10:06.727+12:002009-08-07T18:10:06.727+12:00Kate - Thanks, and it could well be. its also an a...Kate - Thanks, and it could well be. its also an album by Junko and Mattin.<br /><br />Robert -<br />I didn't mean to be condescending at all - you sounded pissed off and I was trying to aliviate that. <br /><br />The Truth thing comes from our various convesations, where you have said that you don't care about langpo stuff etc, and that you're interested in tellin the truth/poems that contain truth etc. Maybe I don't understand you.<br /><br />As for my disparaging of New Crit, I know the basicsfrom school and uni etc, but have come to find it distasteful after discoving other means of criticism, most notably Deleuze and Gutarri's Minor Literature project, and Lisa Sameuls and Jerome McGann's Deformance and Interpretation. I haven't read teh primary texts because I haven't wanted to/had the time. When it comes to such things I am (more than) a little flippant, I know; but at least I am being honest (I hope).<br /><br />The "don't take it personally" shouldn't be interpreted as a jab - you'd be surprised at how many people do, and people with far more critical grounding/theory etc. I didn't mean anything of the sort.Ross Brightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-29319659007103113102009-08-07T16:44:31.531+12:002009-08-07T16:44:31.531+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Robert McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05978631936472448660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-85676344959270063172009-08-07T15:48:14.304+12:002009-08-07T15:48:14.304+12:00I like this blog entry and think you are right abo...I like this blog entry and think you are right about Auden.<br /><br />And what is pink noise? Is that the noise the gurlesque poets make?Kate Durbinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12221111356404338316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-24907907243802709032009-08-07T15:41:48.965+12:002009-08-07T15:41:48.965+12:00I'm not sure what you're implying about sa...I'm not sure what you're implying about said writers "property they have come to shar[ing ...] the sort of reader who likes to mention their names without addressing specific poems." I'm also uncertain of what is to be gained by, for instance, comparing "september 1, 1939" with <i>The Descent of Allete</i>.<br /><br />And I haven't read Ransom/Tate/Empson. I don't really feel the need to. What will I gain? The majority of my reading is done for pleasure, and if I'm not diggin' it, then my time could be spent reading something I do enjoy.<br /><br />And what's "self promotion" got to do with it? I don't follow.<br /><br />And I am looking for gainful employment, I'm just not finding it.<br /><br />Best<br /><br />RRoss Brightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-3764853799231451342009-08-07T14:31:11.519+12:002009-08-07T14:31:11.519+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Robert McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05978631936472448660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-23895565202221877102009-08-07T13:29:06.670+12:002009-08-07T13:29:06.670+12:00Hi Robert - Thanks for taking the time to reply. I...Hi Robert - Thanks for taking the time to reply. I do admit that I paint a rather disparaging caracature of Auden's oeuvre, but his work really doesn't work for me. And that's an opinion, as is my scatological analogy. <br />To address my other points, I like waste and noise (in this context at least), I think of them as productive processes, processes that create interesting phenomena that would otherwise be relegated to the trash-heap.<br />What I like about Swineburne, adn Browning for that matter, is the forced rhyme, the strain of the work; in Browning's case the exhaustive length of "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came", the noise etc that is produced by the exhasutive effort and less-than-perfect craft ... what this produces outside of the normative economy of meaning and New Critical close reading.<br /><br />I would never presume to tell you, and "others too various to bundle" how to write, but I don't buy the idea of "Truth" in poetic discourse, especially as said discouse is often so vague, ambiguous (there's the New Critics again) and affect-ridden. Nor do I claim my position in the above post as Truth, it's simply a statment of my position.<br /><br />As I said above, if you like Auden, pay attention to him - I probably wont (though I may give him another look out of curiosity) simply because I don't enjoy reading him - and there's plenty of people who have and will, so I don't think he'll be lacking in scholarly attention on my part.<br /><br />And as for the poets I espouse having little in common - I don't see how that's a bad thing at all - if I only read things that had a whole lot in common, I feel I'd get bored pretty quickly.<br /><br />I hope you're not taking said disagreements personally, as they're not meant that way at all.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />RossRoss Brightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917759678804057979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3803322100561501381.post-3259113303211991922009-08-07T11:10:01.761+12:002009-08-07T11:10:01.761+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Robert McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05978631936472448660noreply@blogger.com